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    • #7929
      Kimberly Buchanan
      Keymaster

        So what’s the big deal about Corners and Edges? Why should they matter to you or your dog?

        Think about how odor moves. Think about where it blows to, bounces from and collects. All of this is important to your dog so they can find the source. But what is a Corner? And what is considered an Edge?

        Kimberly Buchanan
        Joyride K9 Dog Training

      • #7931
        Terry Wright and Kai
        Participant

          To me an Edge would be where two walls meet making the outside joint.

          And

          Where a sidewalk meets grass. The Edge of a table. A rim, a lip. A boundary line of a surface.

          Yes I looked it up ๐Ÿ™‚

          Terry Wright

        • #7932
          Carolyn Murray
          Participant

            A lot of dogs naturally avoid corners. However, corners often collect odor and could provide an opportunity for a dog to work back to source.

            Odor can run along an edge and provide another way for the dog to work to source.

          • #7933
            Susanne Howarth
            Participant

              I would define a corner as any place where two walls (barriers?) meet at more or less a 90 degree angle. I’d also say those can be inner or outer corners, and both offer challenges. It’s easy for the dog to cut around those inner corners — e.g., to fail to push back into the corner of a room, and miss a hide back there. For the outer corners, the odor could channel along either side of the corner, making it more difficult to know exactly where source is.

              Edges can be a lot of different things: the border between two different types of surface, the edge of a counter or wall, the edge of an object in the search area, the edge of a door or drawer. Odor may channel along an edge, or may fall to only one side of that edge, resulting in a confusing picture for the dog.

            • #8023
              Kimberly Buchanan
              Keymaster

                What I was getting at when I talk about “Corners” and “Edges” are all those structural places of a search area where odor can drift over to, move around OR collect.

                So, for an example, in a room there are often LOTS of CORNERS. I include all the niches and inset places where odor can trap AND all the outside corners where the odor stream is broken. For EDGES I generally think of the perimeter of your search area that lead in/to a corner (or niche). This would be similar for an Exterior search.

                In a large open space with a search in the middle (or for Containers/Vehicles) you don’t have the same defined perimeter or edges so you can sort of consider the outside of all the objects to be your edges and the ones in the corners to be, well, your corners. ๐Ÿ˜‰

                Bottom line is those are productive areas that should not be missed.

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                Kimberly Buchanan
                Joyride K9 Dog Training

              • #8042
                Carolyn Murray
                Participant

                  Great visual! Thank you!

                • #8044
                  Donna Ewing
                  Participant

                    Love the examples and descriptions. I watched an Elite video that was in a gym – mostly the ‘edges’ of the gym. BUT – there were occasionally objects around the edges such as a chair, broom, trash can, etc. I guess each of these objects could force a corner. That had to be really difficult as odor had to travel a lot – possibly bouncing off all of these manmade corners – especially in a big open gym.

                  • #8045
                    Terry Wright and Kai
                    Participant

                      Thanks love it! Never thought about the boxes/containers having corners and edges… makes sense tho.

                      Terry Wright

                    • #8049
                      Kimberly Buchanan
                      Keymaster

                        Donna, I would consider those objects have created “surfaces” more than edges. Much like edges, tho, they are places where odor might drift to. The difference is that they are like sticks in the stream instead of the banks on the sides.

                        Kimberly Buchanan
                        Joyride K9 Dog Training

                      • #8142
                        Susanne Howarth
                        Participant

                          I love the drawing and the visual of sticks in a stream!

                        • #8154
                          Kimberly Buchanan
                          Keymaster

                            ๐Ÿ™‚

                            Kimberly Buchanan
                            Joyride K9 Dog Training

                          • #8155
                            Kimberly Buchanan
                            Keymaster

                              ๐Ÿ™‚

                              Kimberly Buchanan
                              Joyride K9 Dog Training

                            • #8194
                              Terry Wright and Kai
                              Participant

                                I’m reading the lesson for Corners and Edges, at the top it says… *DO NOT PLACE MORE THAN ONE HIDE AT ONE TIME!*

                                So, I go out an place one hide, what some time then go out and search that one. I do that four different times? BURRRRR LOL

                                Terry Wright

                              • #8195
                                Susanne Howarth
                                Participant

                                  OR, you find a place that has multiple walls, adequately separated so as to count them as separate search areas. For instance, we went to the local Rec Center, which has several different buildings. We did the first search on the southwest wall of one of those buildings and the second one on the northeast corner of that same building. Hides 3 and 4 were on the southeast side of a different building and on the southwest side of that same building (more on the west side than the south). We did them two and two, but could have done all four at the same time.

                                • #8197
                                  Terry Wright and Kai
                                  Participant

                                    Susanne, thanks! I think I have a couple of ideas.

                                    Terry Wright

                                  • #8213
                                    Kimberly Buchanan
                                    Keymaster

                                      Really, I just want to see the dog work one problem at a time. If they catch scent of another hide it will change the picture. You need to know that your dog can work out those simple problems and USE the edges and corners effectively. ๐Ÿ™‚

                                      Kimberly Buchanan
                                      Joyride K9 Dog Training

                                    • #8221
                                      Kathryn Dobyns
                                      Participant

                                        So, I was at a class today with mixed levels of dogs. There was a LOT of birch odor floating around by the time Hunter came in to run the container problem, but the container search set up for him had only anise and clove hides. I happened to run this search off leash – Hunter found the clove hide, found but did not alert on the anise hide and then left the search area to find the birch hide that had been removed from the search area and was sitting along the wall in another part of the room. Definitely changed the picture!

                                      • #8222
                                        Kimberly Buchanan
                                        Keymaster

                                          Interesting problem – good boy, Hunter! Thank you for sharing this. There are times when it is unavoidable to have two searches set up that may conflict. It happens and the dogs learn to work the area they’re in. But for this class exercise I am hoping we can keep things more simple for the dogs.

                                          Kimberly Buchanan
                                          Joyride K9 Dog Training

                                        • #8283
                                          Linda Bath
                                          Participant

                                            Kim I have a lot of cement walls on the street with corners created by doors or gates. The gates are usually metal, either solid or slated. Would those be used as corners? The doors are inset from the edges with as much as three to four feet. There is another area that has a rounded edge into a corner. Lots of ideas, just want to make sure I am understanding the directions and not being too literal.

                                          • #8293
                                            Kimberly Buchanan
                                            Keymaster

                                              Sure! Why not try it and see how it works! ๐Ÿ™‚

                                              Kimberly Buchanan
                                              Joyride K9 Dog Training

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